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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 11, 2011 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

First post-coma High Time. Gritty and poignant.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1987-08-11.sbd.gans.miller.92056.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Aug 11, 2011 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

Well said. "High Time" more than any other tune conjures memories of VW buses distinct engine sounds bottoming out packed with heads, scraggy dogs, dudes in overalls with no shirts selling sticks of cannabis buds for gas money, muddy Shakedown Streets, tents pitched, sunshine, Grateful Dead music coming from all different directions ....just what I remember from the Orlando "farm party" in '94.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 12, 2011 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

LOL! Thanks for messing with our expectations! Not sure if you were doing it on purpose, but it worked.

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Aug 12, 2011 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

Well, to quote Ken Kesey....

“The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer -- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.”

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Aug 11, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

I talk a lot about being more interested in long free jams than individual songs, but "High Time" is one of my absolute favorites, and also one of the songs where Old Jerry sounds perfect. Also has some of Hunter's finest writing, completely timeless.

It's really hard to describe the emotional world of the song created by the music, lyrics, and performance. Every simple adjective fails to capture the complexity of the experience. The tone seems mostly melancholy, but the sadness is tempered by the glimpse of transcendence in the vocal harmonies.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 11, 2011 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

High Time is a beautiful song, the way the lyrics are set.

I always see Comes a Time as kind of its "twin" song, and I probably have a slight preference for Comes a Time...

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Aug 11, 2011 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

I agree these songs are both part of the same musical universe, and are representative of the deep, quasi-spiritual music which Deadheads really love and seems to be exclusive to a certain few Hunter/Garcia songs. "So Many Roads" also, for me, conjures the same kind of dreamy nostalgic sadness.

"High Time" is my favorite ahead of "Comes a Time" probably because the chorus, with the high harmonies and the big emphasized drop in the bass, really triggers something unique for me. I think the verse melody of Comes a Time is more beautiful than the verse of High Time, though. I also think that Comes a Time sounds better with younger Jerry than old Jerry, but its the opposite for me with High Time.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 11, 2011 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

While both are beautiful songs,I tend favor High Time.I find the 6/19/76 version of High Time to be as good as anything the band as ever played,it is just a masterpiece to my ears.I feel that both of these songs were never given the attention they deserved and therefore never were never fully realized,and that is a shame because they were two of their very best songs.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Aug 11, 2011 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Hear, hear, to that!

Beautiful rendition that I find hard to surpass.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Aug 11, 2011 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Love em both - but one more vote for Comes a Time - Always get the same feeling that I get from a good Mission in the Rain

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Poster: deadmax Date: Aug 11, 2011 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Ooooh. That is a GREAT comparison. Some kind of timeless-ness that doesn't place it anywhere or anywhen just - what it is.

Good Call.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Aug 11, 2011 9:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

LiA, I'm with you on the "twin" thing with these two songs and have enjoyed them both very much over the years. juIt seems the band had a better handle on HIGH TIME though and played it consistently just about every time. COMES A TIME on the other twin, never had that "finished" quality to it as was mentioned in another post about "working up a song" and always wanting to have done that with CAT. I bet they did it with High Time which makes it more polished and probably more of a favorite because of that.

But I prefer Comes A Time every time. The song just does it for me.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 12, 2011 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

These are definitely two of my favorite tunes and it would be really hard to choose one over the other. I just love how the Dead could make such simple songs so emotional and powerful. Although I agree with a previous poster about High Time being more polished and spot on more often, I have to say I would choose Comes a Time in a close race. It was the first Jerry ballad that I really fell in love with and listened to over and over so I have a soft spot for it. Plus when they opened it up at the end and got it right that jam could be a thing of beauty.

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Aug 12, 2011 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

An easy comparison would be 11/1/85 Richmond, VA (Dicks Picks 31). Both of these gems are in the second set (disc 2) and both are great performances. The pre-drums set list is so sleepy, but very soulful and dreamy.

The "Comes A Time" has a great magic moment at the end where the jam kind of falls apart and then comes back together beautifully.

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Aug 12, 2011 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Those are my favorite versions. Rough around the edges just the way I like it.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 11, 2011 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

I definitely prefer Comes a Time. For some reason High Time never resonated with me the way it does with most listeners.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 11, 2011 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

I love Comes a Time; it seems timeless to me, whereas what I like in High Time is somehow more time-related ... it seems to have a kind of 70s sensibility. I like them both, but Comes a Time is just so transcendent.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 11, 2011 8:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Nailed it. Case closed.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 12, 2011 2:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Yes, I think you really hit the nail on the head! There is just something really stirring about the simplistic elegance (lyrically speaking) of this song. Not to mention the fantastic, jazzy jams that could emerge from it...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 11, 2011 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

This is very interesting, because Comes a Time does absolutely nothing for me. Nothing at all. It's one song I just have no interest in or feeling for. High Time is beautiful ... I can't understand the comparison.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2011 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

You got that right...I cannot even understand the discussion about the pairing, save vague musical similarities?

To me, HTime is such a poignant, singular one on one love song, love gone bad, but finding its way, and Catime is so much more of the meaning of life, opportunity, blah, blah, blah.

Am I missing something? Don't mean to rag on those that like it, and those that prefer latter HTimes, but even Jerry admitted it was too hard to sing HT "right", and by all accts, the studio is the ONLY one, on his recommendation (ie, by defn since then he could work on it til he got just the sound he wanted, presumably).

This post was modified by William Tell on 2011-08-12 03:25:52

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 12, 2011 4:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Basically agree; and the studio version is so canonical, to me, that I don't really even have an interest in comparing live versions! It's a small masterpiece.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 12, 2011 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Funny because i have been listening to Workingman's a lot recently and those were my thoughts as well. Why bother listening to any other version of this song? I can't think of a live one a like better. However my vote still goes to Comes A Time.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 12, 2011 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

Well, that does it! No backing on BEW + JS then!

(I never thought Jerry could pull off the vocals on CaTime...does it on HT in studio, just, but not close enough on the other to my biased ears. IMnotsoHO.)

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 12, 2011 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

How about for a moment not weighing the ‘performance’ of these two songs and just take a look at the lyrical and musical artistry that radiates from their composition. I think the heart of the matter (are these good songs?) is purely resolved by the grand emotional propensity that they convey. I can readily identify with either – and that is a testament perhaps to my own personal struggles with loss, regret, hope, redemption – whatever each of us might find Hunter to be expressing in his lyric (and Jerry with his delivery.)

So, yes, I believe you are missing something! For me, Comes A Time really hits home and is one of those remarkable and beautiful songs that make the Hunter/Garcia canon so dear to my heart.

edit - I just realized that your “am I missing something’ comment was directed at HT, so I offer an apology if one is necessary. I knew High Time from an early age, via Workingman’s of course, and that rendition will always satisfy.:) But it is apparent that we all get something a bit different from the recorded performances.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 12, 2011 6:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

No, you had it right, D; and yes, your notion of the lyrical qualities is spot on...my pt was the two songs are very different, in my view. HT, the one I love, is a one on one love song, CaT, a "meaning of life" (partial love) song, if that makes sense. I never thought of them as similar other than cadence, etc. So, my "missing something?" was I love HT, but CaT doesn't do much for me, and wouldn't have paired them in some discussion, myself. And both are hard to sing, but the studio HT is great.

Hope that clears it up.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 12, 2011 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

[off topic]

http://www.archive.org/post/328581/why-did-i-ever-forsake-the-dead

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2011 1:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

CPW!!!!!!!!!!

Did you hear the good news?

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 13, 2011 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

In ICU I had a vision of Garcia with his purple paisley sweater - like, an epiphony of the 6th dimension... he lives... the party goes ondon't fret... there's a party goin' on...
well, then I woke up. And my R.N. offered me Phil Lesh's book, but I wouldn't take it... she was beautiful and so much younger than I. I wanted her to have it.

God knows there is a grateful dead....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2011 6:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: High Time vs. Comes a Time?

good to see ya dude.

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Poster: deadheadhippy Date: Aug 12, 2011 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

high times comes a time some of my favirots but the music never stops is also another jammer right now listing to cat fish john another fav any others out just would like to now what other people think peace

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Poster: dylan&theded Date: Aug 11, 2011 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1987 - The wheels are muddy

i really like the masterpiece afterwards too